Another sneak peak this morning andI am...amazed, flabbergasted, humbled...after five days I am down 4 lbs.
Later
Stuck at work and taking a break to have 'dinner'. Thank heavens I had a back up container of veggie bean soup here, and that I normally do eat clean at lunch, because my hunger finally kicked in. And writing that makes me think (ha ha) that I didn't remember to take my Burn at noon (just popped one) - no wonder I am hungry. It will be too late to take the 3rd capsule by the time I get home; I need my beauty sleep and don't want to chance a restless night - it will be another busy day at the J.O.B. tomorrow.
I stopped at the grocery store on the way to work this morning so I have apples in the car if I need to munch on the way home, but I imagine the soup will hold me over until I get home and make my Shape shake. Lunch today was wonderful, I had also picked up a bottle of Bolt Farms Acai +10 or something like that, to mix up with my Shape powder.It's Gluten free, no artificial ingredients, and tastes great. I was glad to see that just shaken in a bottle the powder blended easily, no clumping, and it was a quick easy way to make the shake on the run so to speak.
Better get back to work so I can finish up.
Even later
Home again Home again jiggety jig. Just a quick note to post the juice link from my lunch, and to brag about the super delicious roasted Brussels Sprouts that R fixed. And I have to admit I snagged two small bites of red potato that she had roasted with some chicken, sausage and onion in another pan. Ah, I do miss my friend the potato!
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Wednesday, May 8, 2013
Tuesday, May 7, 2013
Orenda CleanBurnShape: Day 5
I will not sucuumb to temptation. Not from drive throughs, platters or sweet words from an ex. I am on a mission and intend to complete it.
Another Shape day like yesterday, same breakfast and lunch, then had a nice crunchy apple on the way home from work and did NOT listen to the little devil who was trying to find a perch on my shoulder. I turned the music up (can't find my iPod!) and headed for home. I want to see results, and I will follow the program Orenda has laid out. It's right there in black and white - I only need do one thing, follow the program - and I will do just that. For once in my life (no breaking out into song please, you know someone is listening) I will follow through on a good intention.
So the thing to do right now is to change into walking clothes, find my iPod, load up the new audio book I just purchased with my recently discovered amazon gift card, and be ready to walk with A when she gets home. Two birds with one stone so to say, wear her out and get my 20 minutes of low intensity exercise in for the day.
Still feeling good, still motivated, and pleased at my newfound determination. I wonder if Kaylee would like to walk too, better go ask her.
Update
A and I took a walk after dismantling my bed enough to get help from M to move it away from the wall and rescue my iPod. We stopped to visit two little parks along the way, and I did balance exercises on the cement borders while she and her dolly sped down the slides. Once home I munched on some brocolli R had roasted in the oven then made my dinner shake, adding three medium leaves of lettuce to the mix and using the unsweetened almond milk as I have been doing. It really fills me up. Half a small box of blackberries for dessert and I am done for the day.
I'm liking how simple this is, and taking a break from cooking and dishes and shopping. It's a little mini vacation in a way, having everything planned out for me and not having to put the usual time and energy into planning healthy meals. And I'm supplementing with other foods so little, it is truly paying for itself as a meal replacement program.
I know the way I feel is because of the amazing nutrient punch the program delivers. Here are the Shape ingredients; how awesome is this! As my DD pointed out, no isolated soy! And delicious too.
Another Shape day like yesterday, same breakfast and lunch, then had a nice crunchy apple on the way home from work and did NOT listen to the little devil who was trying to find a perch on my shoulder. I turned the music up (can't find my iPod!) and headed for home. I want to see results, and I will follow the program Orenda has laid out. It's right there in black and white - I only need do one thing, follow the program - and I will do just that. For once in my life (no breaking out into song please, you know someone is listening) I will follow through on a good intention.
So the thing to do right now is to change into walking clothes, find my iPod, load up the new audio book I just purchased with my recently discovered amazon gift card, and be ready to walk with A when she gets home. Two birds with one stone so to say, wear her out and get my 20 minutes of low intensity exercise in for the day.
Still feeling good, still motivated, and pleased at my newfound determination. I wonder if Kaylee would like to walk too, better go ask her.
Update
A and I took a walk after dismantling my bed enough to get help from M to move it away from the wall and rescue my iPod. We stopped to visit two little parks along the way, and I did balance exercises on the cement borders while she and her dolly sped down the slides. Once home I munched on some brocolli R had roasted in the oven then made my dinner shake, adding three medium leaves of lettuce to the mix and using the unsweetened almond milk as I have been doing. It really fills me up. Half a small box of blackberries for dessert and I am done for the day.
I'm liking how simple this is, and taking a break from cooking and dishes and shopping. It's a little mini vacation in a way, having everything planned out for me and not having to put the usual time and energy into planning healthy meals. And I'm supplementing with other foods so little, it is truly paying for itself as a meal replacement program.
I know the way I feel is because of the amazing nutrient punch the program delivers. Here are the Shape ingredients; how awesome is this! As my DD pointed out, no isolated soy! And delicious too.
Almost time for bed. Another successful plan day completed; I wonder what I will feel like in the morning.
Monday, May 6, 2013
Orenda CleanBurnShape: Day 4
Snuck a peek, down 2lbs. this morning!
Later
What a day. Product first, revelations to follow.
The morning's Clean and Burn kept my hunger at bay until about 11am, then I just kept drinking my water until time for my 2nd Burn at 11:30, then the Shape shake at noonish (kale and apple blended in). More water during the afternoon (I packed 3x20oz. bottles to take to work) and then my 3rd Burn as I left for home at 4pm. I forgot to pack a snack for the way home and not trusting myself to go to the store feeling a little hungry I finished my water and waited for home to grab a banana. Once done here I'll fix some raw veggies to have later in case I need something - I know it's better to have something on hand and ready if the urge hits rather than fumbling around in the fridge and maybe happening upon something tempting but off program. Anyway, as usual I am off on a tangent to my original intent.
A couple of thoughts. First about the initial ten days to fast start the weight loss. It's important, both to strengthen resolve and to fortify belief in what you are doing. I saw results this morning and because of it I am more determined than ever that this is the plan I have been waiting for. I feel good, I'm not starving, and I have the support to make important decisions like I did this afternoon. I can't remember the last time I drove home from work without eating something, good or bad, and not feeling panicky. Which will eventually bring me to my second thought. (I had to come back and edit that sentence after rambling around for a bit in the next paragraph.)
I didn't have an audiobook to listen to for the commute to and from work. I intended to, but the CD I had brought with me to listen to was an MP3 CD and it wouldn't play in the car stereo. As I was already on the road when I discovered this I thought about returning home, but because of the time I didn't. Instead I turned on the radio and spent some time reprogramming the stations. I know this doesn't sound like a big deal, but I've had one audiobook or another plugged in for about six years now while driving; I didn't want to be alone with my thoughts, not for a minute. Not Ever. But today something was different, and I was able to remain calm and accept the situation. Maybe it's the meds and the new found balance of moods that I think has resulted lately, but I think the small bit of confidence in myself that I felt this morning had something to do with it also. And here finally, from the drive home while listening to music instead of a story, is the actual thought that brought me to my keyboard; Now that we are separated I am happier thinking about H and how it could have been between us than I was when we were living together and forever depressed because I knew it could be something wonderful if we could just figure it out. I know I will wonder for a long time how we could have fixed what was wrong, but no matter what the majic ingredient might have been it always would have started with us actually loving ourselves first. And I think that was missing for both of us.
Maybe that is the 'something different' that kept me on the road this morning. Maybe that's what really prompted me to check my old Orenda email, and see the new product notice, and jump online to order the CleanBurnShape program without a second thought.
Maybe my heart is beginning to thaw a little bit towards myself.
Later
What a day. Product first, revelations to follow.
The morning's Clean and Burn kept my hunger at bay until about 11am, then I just kept drinking my water until time for my 2nd Burn at 11:30, then the Shape shake at noonish (kale and apple blended in). More water during the afternoon (I packed 3x20oz. bottles to take to work) and then my 3rd Burn as I left for home at 4pm. I forgot to pack a snack for the way home and not trusting myself to go to the store feeling a little hungry I finished my water and waited for home to grab a banana. Once done here I'll fix some raw veggies to have later in case I need something - I know it's better to have something on hand and ready if the urge hits rather than fumbling around in the fridge and maybe happening upon something tempting but off program. Anyway, as usual I am off on a tangent to my original intent.
A couple of thoughts. First about the initial ten days to fast start the weight loss. It's important, both to strengthen resolve and to fortify belief in what you are doing. I saw results this morning and because of it I am more determined than ever that this is the plan I have been waiting for. I feel good, I'm not starving, and I have the support to make important decisions like I did this afternoon. I can't remember the last time I drove home from work without eating something, good or bad, and not feeling panicky. Which will eventually bring me to my second thought. (I had to come back and edit that sentence after rambling around for a bit in the next paragraph.)
I didn't have an audiobook to listen to for the commute to and from work. I intended to, but the CD I had brought with me to listen to was an MP3 CD and it wouldn't play in the car stereo. As I was already on the road when I discovered this I thought about returning home, but because of the time I didn't. Instead I turned on the radio and spent some time reprogramming the stations. I know this doesn't sound like a big deal, but I've had one audiobook or another plugged in for about six years now while driving; I didn't want to be alone with my thoughts, not for a minute. Not Ever. But today something was different, and I was able to remain calm and accept the situation. Maybe it's the meds and the new found balance of moods that I think has resulted lately, but I think the small bit of confidence in myself that I felt this morning had something to do with it also. And here finally, from the drive home while listening to music instead of a story, is the actual thought that brought me to my keyboard; Now that we are separated I am happier thinking about H and how it could have been between us than I was when we were living together and forever depressed because I knew it could be something wonderful if we could just figure it out. I know I will wonder for a long time how we could have fixed what was wrong, but no matter what the majic ingredient might have been it always would have started with us actually loving ourselves first. And I think that was missing for both of us.
Maybe that is the 'something different' that kept me on the road this morning. Maybe that's what really prompted me to check my old Orenda email, and see the new product notice, and jump online to order the CleanBurnShape program without a second thought.
Maybe my heart is beginning to thaw a little bit towards myself.
Sunday, May 5, 2013
Orenda CleanBurnShape: Day 3
I was waiting to check in until later, but my dinner shake is so deliciouso I headed straight for the keyboard to share after my first sip.
1C unsweetened almond milk
1C cold water
1 1/2 small oranges off the tree in back
12 small purple grapes
3 ounces baby organic spinach
1 scoop Shape
My original thought was orange chocolate, like christmas on Cinco De Mayo, but this is lighter and fresher and just all together wonderful.
When I filled up my pill dispenser for the week yesterday I added in the Burn capsules so that I am taking them with my All In One and generic allegra in the morning. Today was the trial to make sure those would all go together okay before trying it on a 'work day' and it was just fine. That was about 7am. I had my scoop of Clean about 10:30 when I finally felt hungry. Popped my second Burn about noon thirty, and my drank my lunch Shape at 1pm.
After spending most of the afternoon puttering in the back yard weeding, mowing, and breaking down small volunteer trees I ended up filling up the whole green waste container. When I was finished I had my long hot Sunday afternoon shower around 4pm and realized I was feeling a little bit of a buzz. This is not my first rodeo, so I knew I probably hadn't had enough water given the amount of activity I had engaged in so I immediately downed one of my 20 ounce bottles. I also decided to skip the 3rd Burn capsule of the day even though my brain had settled down a bit after the water.
Now it's 5:40 and I'm sipping away at dinner. One thing I have years of experience at is making green smoothies, so I have lots of ideas about what to mix in with my Shape shakes to keep them fun and not get stuck in a rut. But I must say this orange concoction will bear repeating.
Quick Aside. If I had not been on the Orenda CleanBurnShape program I probably wouldn't even have made it outside. But if I had the title of today's entry would have been something like 'Pincherbug Paradise', I disturbed a nest under a planter that made my skin scrawl seven ways from Sunday - so to say. All in all I am very happy about the dent I made in the back yard today and hopefully the weather will hold so that I can continue working out there after work each day this week to get in my 20 minutes of low-intensity exercise. (I am a believer in natural movement, and know in my heart that the best exercise is not found in a gym. I miss so much my archery - the hicking, the strength it takes to pull the bow, the quiet concentration of a well aimed arrow - big sigh.) Anyway, that is what the plan calls for, low intensity exercise, and even though it was hours instead of minutes it was never strenuous and it felt great to spend so much time on my feet.
Back to my shake; boy can I ramble. But I feel good and that is reflected here.
1C unsweetened almond milk
1C cold water
1 1/2 small oranges off the tree in back
12 small purple grapes
3 ounces baby organic spinach
1 scoop Shape
My original thought was orange chocolate, like christmas on Cinco De Mayo, but this is lighter and fresher and just all together wonderful.
When I filled up my pill dispenser for the week yesterday I added in the Burn capsules so that I am taking them with my All In One and generic allegra in the morning. Today was the trial to make sure those would all go together okay before trying it on a 'work day' and it was just fine. That was about 7am. I had my scoop of Clean about 10:30 when I finally felt hungry. Popped my second Burn about noon thirty, and my drank my lunch Shape at 1pm.
After spending most of the afternoon puttering in the back yard weeding, mowing, and breaking down small volunteer trees I ended up filling up the whole green waste container. When I was finished I had my long hot Sunday afternoon shower around 4pm and realized I was feeling a little bit of a buzz. This is not my first rodeo, so I knew I probably hadn't had enough water given the amount of activity I had engaged in so I immediately downed one of my 20 ounce bottles. I also decided to skip the 3rd Burn capsule of the day even though my brain had settled down a bit after the water.
Now it's 5:40 and I'm sipping away at dinner. One thing I have years of experience at is making green smoothies, so I have lots of ideas about what to mix in with my Shape shakes to keep them fun and not get stuck in a rut. But I must say this orange concoction will bear repeating.
Quick Aside. If I had not been on the Orenda CleanBurnShape program I probably wouldn't even have made it outside. But if I had the title of today's entry would have been something like 'Pincherbug Paradise', I disturbed a nest under a planter that made my skin scrawl seven ways from Sunday - so to say. All in all I am very happy about the dent I made in the back yard today and hopefully the weather will hold so that I can continue working out there after work each day this week to get in my 20 minutes of low-intensity exercise. (I am a believer in natural movement, and know in my heart that the best exercise is not found in a gym. I miss so much my archery - the hicking, the strength it takes to pull the bow, the quiet concentration of a well aimed arrow - big sigh.) Anyway, that is what the plan calls for, low intensity exercise, and even though it was hours instead of minutes it was never strenuous and it felt great to spend so much time on my feet.
Back to my shake; boy can I ramble. But I feel good and that is reflected here.
Saturday, May 4, 2013
Orenda CleanBurnShape: Day 2
I've just finished my Shape shake for dinner, and I have cut up cauliflower ready in the fridge if I feel like a snack later. I found myself eating the crust of A's pesto cheese sandwich leftover from her dinner while I cleaned up from slicing watermelon for her dessert - funny how muscle memory and habit can override intention and planning. I don't even remember picking it up. But it was only two small bites and I refuse to beat myself up.
We had a busy day my little granddaughter and I, that included laundry, a lunch date (I had a salad) lots of watering, a nap (A), cleaning the kitchen (me) and working on picking up after the dogs in the back yard (me again) and more watering. I've been puttering all day, and mostly stayed on my feet. While I don't feel wired at all I seem to just keep moving, and I'm guessing it's the little bit of caffeine in the green coffee bean extract that is in the Burn I'm taking three times a day. I even made another little dent in the fiasco that is my room. Oh, and dug up the five foot tall weed that had been thriving by the driveway. I had decided to let it go until it flowered, but finally gave up and tossed it into the green waste this afternoon.
Backtracking to this morning, I mixed my scoop of Clean with 8oz of water and drank it down with my first Burn capsule. I never did get hungry for breakfast, only eating one small bite of A's cantaloupe as I cubed it up for her. I thought I would surprise my daughter by having A's laundry done when they get back from their trip on Sunday, and it was fun picking up A's room and hanging up all of her clean clothes; she can be a super helper when feeling so inclined. The morning breeze was cool enough to open up her shades and window and let in both the fresh air and sunshine while we worked and visited.
The half salad I had at my lunch date with A was spring greens with almonds and a balsamic dressing. Once home about 12:30 I drank my second cup of Clean with my second Burn capsule and I've been on the move ever since. I have four 24oz bottles that I fill up each morning. Once they are all empty I refill one of them and know it's my last of the day's water. I need to research if I am suppose to be taking my Burn before I eat, or with the Clean, or just anytime during the day.
Thinking back to water, I steeped some ginger in hot water this morning to spice up my water bottles. I love it, especially with a little lemon; there is synergy there that results in a blend which doesn't beg for any additional sweetener. Very satisfying too, and good for lowering inflammation.
I took my last Burn capsule about 4:30, same time as yesterday. I'm thinking a little consistency might be a good thing. Then my shake for dinner was about 6pm, an hour ago, and I am feeling full with no desire for anything else.
My back is a little irritated, and I know I need to be careful about not doing too much tomorrow. All in all a successful, if not perfect, day two of the CleanBurnShape program, and tomorrow will be my first Shape day of the ten day Cleanse period.
Still feeling very positive about the program, and it feels good to be actively working at transforming this poor old body of mine.
We had a busy day my little granddaughter and I, that included laundry, a lunch date (I had a salad) lots of watering, a nap (A), cleaning the kitchen (me) and working on picking up after the dogs in the back yard (me again) and more watering. I've been puttering all day, and mostly stayed on my feet. While I don't feel wired at all I seem to just keep moving, and I'm guessing it's the little bit of caffeine in the green coffee bean extract that is in the Burn I'm taking three times a day. I even made another little dent in the fiasco that is my room. Oh, and dug up the five foot tall weed that had been thriving by the driveway. I had decided to let it go until it flowered, but finally gave up and tossed it into the green waste this afternoon.
Backtracking to this morning, I mixed my scoop of Clean with 8oz of water and drank it down with my first Burn capsule. I never did get hungry for breakfast, only eating one small bite of A's cantaloupe as I cubed it up for her. I thought I would surprise my daughter by having A's laundry done when they get back from their trip on Sunday, and it was fun picking up A's room and hanging up all of her clean clothes; she can be a super helper when feeling so inclined. The morning breeze was cool enough to open up her shades and window and let in both the fresh air and sunshine while we worked and visited.
The half salad I had at my lunch date with A was spring greens with almonds and a balsamic dressing. Once home about 12:30 I drank my second cup of Clean with my second Burn capsule and I've been on the move ever since. I have four 24oz bottles that I fill up each morning. Once they are all empty I refill one of them and know it's my last of the day's water. I need to research if I am suppose to be taking my Burn before I eat, or with the Clean, or just anytime during the day.
Thinking back to water, I steeped some ginger in hot water this morning to spice up my water bottles. I love it, especially with a little lemon; there is synergy there that results in a blend which doesn't beg for any additional sweetener. Very satisfying too, and good for lowering inflammation.
I took my last Burn capsule about 4:30, same time as yesterday. I'm thinking a little consistency might be a good thing. Then my shake for dinner was about 6pm, an hour ago, and I am feeling full with no desire for anything else.
My back is a little irritated, and I know I need to be careful about not doing too much tomorrow. All in all a successful, if not perfect, day two of the CleanBurnShape program, and tomorrow will be my first Shape day of the ten day Cleanse period.
Still feeling very positive about the program, and it feels good to be actively working at transforming this poor old body of mine.
Friday, May 3, 2013
Initial reaction
If you are going to start a new eating program the ideal day to begin on is one that is so busy you don't have time to think about it. I was lucky enough to have one of those days.
Both the Clean and the Shape shake taste wonderful; nothing icky or chalky or unpleasant, just good, and it will be easy to continue using them. No flinching involved! I didn't really notice any effects of the Burn supplement, and I am tired this evening so there is not enough caffeine in the green coffee bean extract to wire me - another positive.
I did have two slices of zPizza this afternoon at a working lunch, but I knew ahead of time of this planned date with my co-workers and I doubt it slowed things down much. They are one of the lighter and healthier versions of pizza around. I only had product for breakfast, lots of filtered water during the day, a can of coconut\aloe water on the way home, and added organic baby spinach to my Shape shake at dinner. Still a much lighter calorie day than usual and a nice segue into the full program I intend to follow to a T the next nine days.
A and I went shopping after work today and I picked up the silken tofu I need to make homemade vegan ranch dressing and a big head of beautiful white cauliflower. Come Sunday A and I can dip and crunch for lunch; she is another cauliflower aficionado and by then the Ranch will have developed it's flavours quite satisfactorily.
I've given my Mom the heads up that I am bringing supplements with me on my visit in two weeks, and today I explained a little of the plan to my friends at work so they know I will be 'on program' next week.
So I will count day one a successful if not perfect beginning, and I look forward to having the day off of work tomorrow so I can really focus on myself and the program and A.
This tired girl is going to a blanket party!
Both the Clean and the Shape shake taste wonderful; nothing icky or chalky or unpleasant, just good, and it will be easy to continue using them. No flinching involved! I didn't really notice any effects of the Burn supplement, and I am tired this evening so there is not enough caffeine in the green coffee bean extract to wire me - another positive.
I did have two slices of zPizza this afternoon at a working lunch, but I knew ahead of time of this planned date with my co-workers and I doubt it slowed things down much. They are one of the lighter and healthier versions of pizza around. I only had product for breakfast, lots of filtered water during the day, a can of coconut\aloe water on the way home, and added organic baby spinach to my Shape shake at dinner. Still a much lighter calorie day than usual and a nice segue into the full program I intend to follow to a T the next nine days.
A and I went shopping after work today and I picked up the silken tofu I need to make homemade vegan ranch dressing and a big head of beautiful white cauliflower. Come Sunday A and I can dip and crunch for lunch; she is another cauliflower aficionado and by then the Ranch will have developed it's flavours quite satisfactorily.
I've given my Mom the heads up that I am bringing supplements with me on my visit in two weeks, and today I explained a little of the plan to my friends at work so they know I will be 'on program' next week.
So I will count day one a successful if not perfect beginning, and I look forward to having the day off of work tomorrow so I can really focus on myself and the program and A.
This tired girl is going to a blanket party!
Thursday, May 2, 2013
Go!
Yay, there was a box on my doorstep when I arrived home as anticipated.
I have the ten day cleanse program and two 30 day programs to get me started. This will be perfect, I will begin in the morning, finish the ten days and start the first 30 day set just before driving south to visit my mom for a week. It will be easy to incorporate the plan with our meals since we usually eat healthy together anyway.
Two people have noticed recently that I am looking a little bit smaller. And I did lose about 7 pounds last month with all the extra moving around. But even with that loss under, or out from under, my belt I dread getting weighed and measured. We are too rushed to do it in the morning, so I will ask R to do it this evening since we are going to do it on the Wii fit. The number is already going to be bad enough so I guess the evening weigh in won't matter much. I'll just be sure to always do it around the same time. And I am supposed to measure at ten, forty and seventy days too, so I'll do that this evening too. Plus take a before picture. I don't have it in me to do the front, back & sides comparison shots. Argh! But then, this reluctance to record my body as it is today is part of the reason I am embarking upon this adventure in the first place so I shouldn't begrudge the details. Should I be successful, I will be glad of the comparison pictures! I'll try.
And as a very positive aside; the more I read about the ingredients the more excited I am about the possibility of this actually working!
Find the angry looking kitty cat that wandered into the picture above. That's Mister, the only male kitten in the litter about a dozen years ago.
I have the ten day cleanse program and two 30 day programs to get me started. This will be perfect, I will begin in the morning, finish the ten days and start the first 30 day set just before driving south to visit my mom for a week. It will be easy to incorporate the plan with our meals since we usually eat healthy together anyway.
Two people have noticed recently that I am looking a little bit smaller. And I did lose about 7 pounds last month with all the extra moving around. But even with that loss under, or out from under, my belt I dread getting weighed and measured. We are too rushed to do it in the morning, so I will ask R to do it this evening since we are going to do it on the Wii fit. The number is already going to be bad enough so I guess the evening weigh in won't matter much. I'll just be sure to always do it around the same time. And I am supposed to measure at ten, forty and seventy days too, so I'll do that this evening too. Plus take a before picture. I don't have it in me to do the front, back & sides comparison shots. Argh! But then, this reluctance to record my body as it is today is part of the reason I am embarking upon this adventure in the first place so I shouldn't begrudge the details. Should I be successful, I will be glad of the comparison pictures! I'll try.
And as a very positive aside; the more I read about the ingredients the more excited I am about the possibility of this actually working!
Find the angry looking kitty cat that wandered into the picture above. That's Mister, the only male kitten in the litter about a dozen years ago.
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